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Airborne Wind Energy Forum
H2bidblog
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/blog/post/2012/06/air-hes
http://www.linkedin.com: Global Solar, Hydro, PV & Wind Energy Consortium
http://www.linkedin.com: Hydroelectric Power
http://www.linkedin.com: Water Technologies
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http://habrahabr.ru/post/143099/
http://www.diforum.ru/index.php?showtopic=27185
http://www.membrana.ru/particle/18019
http://www.kiting.org.ua/forum/index.php/t/1655/
https://www.facebook.com/groups/fansofdirigibles/488928084477948
http://forum.israelinfo.ru/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=49408
http://ammo1.livejournal.com/389665.html
http://i-future.livejournal.com/673424.h
Solaris project
Presentation in Russian
- What kind of pipe could be used?
- How could a gravity pipe work?
- What real measurement data do you have regarding water yield per square meter of collector area? (e.g., liters per m² per day under real atmospheric conditions)
- Under which atmospheric conditions do your collectors operate most effectively? (e.g., wind speed, liquid water content, temperature)
- What are the minimum meteorological conditions required for the system to generate energy?
- What collector surface area would be required to produce a continuous water flow of approximately 1–2 liters per second?
- What altitude do you currently consider the most realistic operational height for the system?
- What wind speed data or atmospheric models were used to estimate conditions at this altitude?
- How does the system respond to strong turbulence or vertical air currents?
- What maximum wind speed can the structure withstand safely?
- How does the system technically manage the hydrostatic pressure created by a several-kilometer water column?
- What materials or pipeline technologies are planned to withstand this pressure?
- How will the system prevent pressure shocks or water hammer effects?
- What pressure levels do you expect at the bottom of the pipeline at heights between 2000 and 5000 meters?
- What calculations have been performed regarding friction losses in a pipeline several kilometers long?
- What minimum inner diameter would the pipeline require to avoid excessive energy losses?
- How does the system performance change when realistic friction losses are included?
- What is the total estimated weight of the following components: collector structure, pipeline, water inside the pipeline, structural supports?
- What lifting capacity must the aerostat or kite system provide to support these loads continuously?
- What safety margins are included in case of water accumulation or icing?
- What protection measures are planned against: icing, lightning, hail, extreme temperatures?
- Have you studied how ice formation could affect the weight and aerodynamics of the system?
- What turbine types have been considered or tested for this system?
- For which pressure and flow ranges is the turbine designed?
- What total system efficiency do you realistically expect? (collector → pipeline → turbine → generator)
- How stable is the energy production when water flow varies significantly?
- Are there buffer systems or storage mechanisms to stabilize energy production?
- How can the collector or pipeline be serviced or replaced when the system operates several kilometers above ground?
- Which components do you expect to be the most frequent points of failure?
- What physical prototypes have been built and tested so far?
- What actual performance results were measured during these tests?
- How do the measured results compare with your theoretical calculations?
- What maximum power output do you consider technically realistic for a single installation?
- What technical limits do you foresee when scaling the system to larger capacities?
- From your perspective, what are currently the three biggest technical challenges that must be solved to build a fully operational AirHES system?
What kind of pipe could be used?
Dear Andrew,
all answers you could found in Russian discussions by proper links, but... :)
Obviously that we have and can get this potential water energy, the question is how?
There are some options, for example:
1. standard pressure pipe - 30 mm, 200 ATM in bottom (your variant) -> Kevlar tube/tether, expensive + 1.5 t of water
2. gravity pipe (waterfall) - variable profile by continuity equation, no pressure (my variant) -> cheap, possible big energy losing
3. aerial lift (practically also replaces the turbine) -> middle price, but complicated
Any variant principally can be used, but demands:
1. bigger balloon - 1500-2000 m3 here - to keep additional water weight
2. R&D for stabilization of flow
3. constructive investigations
Please, ask for details.
SY, AK
Dear Andrew,
I have been thinking about your AirHES concept, having seen your comments on:
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2012/08/obama-spars-with-romney-on-energy-in-swing-state-pitches?cmpid=WNL-Friday-August17-2012
The fog harvesting idea looks really interesting - I just can't see how the energy generation works.
The key issue seems to be the pipe. I think I understand your numbers regarding the water generation and power ratings, but I am concerned about the penstock design. For the turbine to work, the potential energy from the water needs to be converted to kinetic energy at the nozzle outlet. As you say, for a 23 kW design (1.16 l/s, 2000 m head), the flow rate through a 3 mm nozzle is 200 m/s. Your 50-100 kg mass of the water in the pipe seems consistent with extending the 3 mm diameter pipe right up to the balloon. But the friction from a 3 mm pipe would surely not allow water to travel at 200 m/s along it?
An alternative would be to use a larger pipe diameter and maintain it in closed channel flow. If you accepted 10% head loss in the pipe, then you would need a pipe of diameter 30 mm (see http://www.calculatoredge.com/mech/pipe%20friction.htm data entered with 2000 m length, HDPE, 1.16 litre/s, diameter 30 mm). A full pipe of this dimension would carry water at a more reasonable 1.6 m/s, but hold a tube full of 1413 kg of water, breaking the limit on the balloon's carrying capacity.
Have I missed something here?
Best regards,
Andrew Urquhart.
Student at Loughborough University
How could a gravity pipe work?
Dear Andrew,
Imagine that you have just a waterfall. Obviously, if you allow it to break up into drops of rain, almost all of the potential energy will be spent on the frontal resistance, and there is the usual rain. But if you are able to stabilize the jet, no frontal resistance will be. For sufficiently large jet can also be neglected and the resistance of the air (or the wall) on the side of the border. Then almost all of the potential energy of the fall will be converted into the kinetic energy of the jet. Jet will be narrow and accelerate.
There are several ways to stabilize the jet. For example, if a stream flowing around and along the wire. You can also spin the flow in the pipe, to prevent him disintegrate into droplets. Unfortunately, science does not give the computational model for such free flows. Therefore, more research is needed.
This jet has no pressure. Moreover, it has no weight. Therefore, no matter how much water it was not the weight will be only on the resistance on the lateral boundary...
SY, AK
Dear Andrew,
I will think about your option 2 some more, but my intuitive feeling is that, if you have low pressure in the pipe near the ground, this implies that all of the potential energy from the head has been lost due to pipe ftiction.
By Bernoulli's equation, the sum of the potential, pressure and kinetic energy is a constant along the pipe. At the top of the pipe, all of the energy is potential. At the nozzle, discharging at atmospheric pressure onto the Pelton wheel, we want all the energy to be kinetic. Just before the nozzle, the velocity is low to keep the friction losses down, and at ground level there is no potential energy, so the energy is all in the form of pressure.
If the pressure and potential are both low at the ground end of the pipe, does this not mean that the kinetic energy leaving the nozzle will also be low?
Best regards,
Andrew Urquhart
What real measurement data do you have regarding water yield per square meter of collector area? (e.g., liters per m² per day under real atmospheric conditions)
The idea
for the AirHES was initially conceived purely
theoretically, based on physical concepts for energy purposes. When I
began studying the deposition of water droplets on various surfaces, I
unexpectedly learned that such systems already exist, called fog collection
systems. They have been known since the 1980s and are
used in several countries. There is extensive literature on these systems, including
both experimental data and theoretical studies. For example, here are the data
provided on the FogQuest
website:
“One large fog collector, with a 40 m2 collecting surface, will typically produce an average of 200 liters per day throughout the year. On some days, no water is produced. On other days, as much as 1000 liters will be generated. The variability depends on the site. Choosing an appropriate site is of utmost importance. There are day-to-day variations in fog-water production, as well as seasonal variations, as is the case with rainfall.”
These
real-world fog collection system inputs and physical
assessments (based on liquid water content, wind speed, and mesh efficiency)
formed the basis for the preliminary feasibility study.
I also
conducted my own theoretical
research based on MIT work and computer modeling to optimize potential
meshes or sails, which allowed me to make approximations for developing a complex model of the
AirHES.
Our own
real-world measurements so far provide only indirect estimates (see the Experiments section on
site). A test launch of a balloon in 2013 resulted in a break, so we can only
estimate the water intake based on the change in the rope angle during testing:
approximately 5 l/m²/hour, or 120 l/m²/day, which is consistent with
our estimates in the feasibility study. Kite launches in 2015-2016 also yielded
no direct results, as the altitudes were limited (~500 m) and the kite rarely
flew inside the clouds. Laboratory (garage) tests allowed us to roughly
estimate the efficiency of the kite models' meshes and sails, reaching up to
60%, which is consistent with my computer modeling calculations (see the link
in the text.pdf file in each folder).
Under which atmospheric conditions do your collectors operate most effectively? (e.g., wind speed, liquid water content, temperature)
No special
atmospheric conditions are required. As stated in the patent, receiving
surfaces (e.g., mesh) must be located near or above the dew point, i.e.,
physically within the cloud (above the condensation line on the sounding (aerological) diagram or the cloud base). Obviously,
depending on the cloud type, it makes sense to select the cloud zone with the
highest liquid water content (LWC) value. For example, for cumulus clouds, such
a zone is located approximately 1 km above the cloud base. Although the droplet
moisture in the cloud remains liquid down to approximately -10°C, it is
advisable not to raise the collector above 0°C, as precipitated droplet
moisture can lead to icing. Also, the precipitating water flow typically
increases linearly with wind speed, but specific design considerations should
be taken into account, such as the automatic reduction of the receiving area
for free-hanging collectors (see the complex model of
AirHES).
What are the minimum meteorological conditions required for the system to generate energy?
Minimum
conditions: some cloud cover, non-zero wind speed, and positive temperature in
the working area. We can assume that even in the absence of clouds, dew may
form on the mesh, but the expected rate of surface condensation (dew formation)
is much less than the purely mechanical collection of fog or cloud droplets
during volumetric condensation. However, at operating altitudes, the wind
required for droplet deposition on the meshes or wind-blown fabrics (wind
penetrated sails) is almost always present.
What collector surface area would be required to produce a continuous water flow of approximately 1–2 liters per second?
The AirHES
cannot provide a continuous water flow regardless of the collector area, as it
is a weather-dependent system. However, water (unlike electricity) is an
additive (accumulative) resource, meaning it is necessary to ensure a
sufficient strategic water reserve in case of adverse weather. Statistical satellite and
climate data can be obtained for any location on
the planet to roughly calculate the average annual performance of an optimized
AirHES using a complex
model. For example, for Ashdod, Israel, calculations yield an
estimated average flow of ~4.5 L/m²/day, meaning a collector area of
19,200-38,400 m² would be required to achieve the target
flow rate of 1-2 liters per second. However, the price of water would be only
~$0.10/m³, which is 20 times less than the current price of municipal
water in Ashdod.
What altitude do you currently consider the most realistic operational height for the system?
This
depends on the primary optimization objective of the AirHES (water or energy)
and the accuracy of our satellite and climate data on the altitude distribution
of LWC and wind speed (see table LWC.xlsx). LWC generally
follows the barometric law, so the maximum horizontal drip flow is typically observed at an altitude of 1-2 km. On the other
hand, the energy maximum can shift to higher altitudes (up to 5 km). However,
given that the most expensive components in the AirHES design are typically the
UHMWPE hoses and ropes, the optimization program automatically attempts to
reduce the operating altitude to approximately 1 km. Further research is needed, as real-world cloud cover is often observed above
1 km.
What wind speed data or atmospheric models were used to estimate conditions at this altitude?
The
algorithm for obtaining and processing all the necessary data is described in detail in the corresponding article. It is based on statistical satellite data from the NASA CloudSat project and
climate data from the NASA
MERRA-2 retrospective analysis program. Historically, this article arose
from an analysis
of a German paper and correspondence on a NASA forum.
All averaged data for the locations examined are presented
in the LWC.xlsx
table.
How does the system respond to strong turbulence or vertical air currents?
Our limited
experience testing
the systems showed that both the aerostat and kite-based versions perform quite
reliably over many hours of in-flight testing. The system is
designed to utilize only lightweight, flexible, tension-based
components, which should facilitate automatic stabilization, adaptability, and
stability in turbulent conditions. Aerostat systems have historically proven
exceptionally stable. For kites, only a sharp drop in wind speed has been
critical, leading to wing geometry distortion and collapse. Clearly,
introducing additional stiffening elements could solve this problem. Another
option is to use "sleeping" drones, which can stabilize the surfaces
in such situations. In any case, even a kite parachuting to the ground in dead
calm is not considered an accident, as it does not
result in structural failure or damage on the ground. When the wind resumes,
the system can be easily relaunched, possibly even
automatically.
What maximum wind speed can the structure withstand safely?
Obviously,
the very concept of the AirHES presupposes a large windage
area for the structure and, consequently, significant wind loads and
displacements. At the same time, the AirHES is a hydroelectric power station,
not a wind power station, and therefore can be optimized
to avoid critical wind loads in every possible way. Therefore, I first wrote a paper in which I
performed calculations for extreme wind speeds and displacements. Indeed, it
turned out that by controlling the angle of attack of the receiving surfaces,
we can avoid critical stresses up to hurricane-force winds of 55 m/s.
Further
work on mesh optimization
allowed us to calculate approximations for the aerodynamic coefficients of the
meshes and kite sails, which made it possible to computer model and
optimize the entire AirHES using the Rayleigh wind distribution and three
load-reduction methods: free suspension, angle-of-attack control, and sail
active area adjustment. Thus, the AirHES model automatically selects the
appropriate combination of options when optimizing for a specified objective
function (for example, payback time).
How does the system technically manage the hydrostatic pressure created by a several-kilometer water column?
This
problem only applies to the power applications of the AirHES, and even then, hydrostatics
can be avoided. Calculations show that the idea will be primarily used for water supply systems, which
provide relatively high profitability and demand in areas experiencing water
shortages, especially far from the sea.
Nevertheless,
modern materials such as UHMWPE can easily withstand such hydrostatic loads.
Optimization calculations using the AirHES model show that
hydraulic loads are typically several times smaller than aerodynamic loads.
Furthermore, they are distributed: hydraulic loads are
greatest at the ground, while aerodynamic loads are greatest near the hose or
rope attachment to the collector or rigging of the balloon/kite. For example,
the calculation for
Ashdod gives a hose wall thickness (D 18 mm) for hydraulics of only 0.17 mm
(with a fivefold safety factor), while for longitudinal stresses from maximum
wind loads (24 m/s) it is 0.81 mm (with a twofold safety factor).
What materials or pipeline technologies are planned to withstand this pressure?
There's a
whole class of modern polymer materials (Kevlar, Dyneema, Zylon, Carbon fiber)
that boast a strength-to-weight ratio significantly superior to steel and other
traditional materials. We used UHMWPE (Dyneema)
in our calculations because it's the lightest of them
(0.97 g/cm³). Commercially available ropes and pipes are
made from this material, but we envisioned using a flexible hose braided
from these threads with a sealing sheath on the inside and UV protection on the
outside. Such a hose
could withstand both hydrostatic pressure and longitudinal aerodynamic loads.
However, for water supply applications, we could simplify the design and use a
commercially available rope, through which water could flow freely, either
without a sheath at all (due to capillary action) or within a lightweight PE
outer sheath (as a channel waterfall).
How will the system prevent pressure shocks or water hammer effects?
Water hammer is a
pressure surge typically caused by a sudden stop or restart of flow. We believe
this phenomenon is uncommon at AirHES, as the flow enters the hose from above
in a free flow and exits through the nozzle below onto the Pelton turbine without
any restrictions.
What pressure levels do you expect at the bottom of the pipeline at heights between 2000 and 5000 meters?
If we
consider the energy application of an AirHES with a pressure pipeline (hose),
the pressure will correspond to the normal hydrostatic pressure for such an
altitude (200-500 atm) minus the hydraulic losses in the hose, which the optimization program
typically sets at 10%. If the AirHES is used solely for water supply, the
program calculates a free-flow flow with a pressure loss of 100%, meaning the
pressure at the bottom will be close to atmospheric.
What calculations have been performed regarding friction losses in a pipeline several kilometers long?
The AirHES model uses the standard Darcy-Weisbach formula with a hydraulic loss coefficient of
0.00762 for a smooth plastic hose. These calculations were also verified using
specialized hydraulic calculation programs, such as these. The calculation program
typically automatically selects the optimal loss level based on technical and
economic criteria.
What minimum inner diameter would the pipeline require to avoid excessive energy losses?
The AirHES model and optimization program do
not have this limitation. The program uses the Monte Carlo method
to vary various optimization parameters (including the hydraulic loss level
used to calculate the hose's internal diameter) to achieve the best result
(usually a technical and economic indicator) through millions of iterations.
How does the system performance change when realistic friction losses are included?
Water
productivity remains virtually unchanged, as it depends only on collector efficiency
and external meteorological factors (LWC, wind speed). Energy productivity also
changes slightly, as the optimization
program typically selects hydraulic loss levels within a narrow range
(~10%).
What is the total estimated weight of the following components: collector structure, pipeline, water inside the pipeline, structural supports?
After the
requested number of iterations has been exhausted, the optimization program
displays the final solution, which presents all the key design, load, and
technical and economic data. For example, for Ashdod, for a balloon-based
solution with a collector (single-layer mesh) with an area of 10000
m² (100 x 100 m), we see this table on page 3:
• Collector
structure: 1000 kg (Wc) -
$2500 (Cc)
• Pipeline
(hose): 42.42 kg (Wh) -
$4242 (Ch)
• Water in
hose: 243 kg (Ww)
• Structural
supports: balloon shell 95.7 kg (Ws) - $1851 (Cs),
supporting kite 12 kg (Wk) - $303 (Ck)
What lifting capacity must the aerostat or kite system provide to support these loads continuously?
The AirHES model assumes a force
balance at the most stressed point—the hose/rope attachment point to the flight
deck (see page 9). It shows that taking all forces into account (with some
acceptable simplifications) yields a quadratic equation, the solution to which
allows us to obtain maximum loads (for maximum wind speed) with engineering
precision and, accordingly, calculate the required structural dimensions for a
given safety factor.
For our example (Ashdod,
aerostat), these forces are also shown on page 3, and we can calculate the
required lift force of the aerostat, 14128.6 N (T0y), which ensures that the
AirHES remains aloft even in complete calm. A verification calculation shows
that the error in our engineering calculation is only 2% (Err).
Similarly,
for the example on
page 4 (Ashdod, kite), we can calculate the balance of forces so that the kite
sail creates the minimum necessary lift force of 50 N (Tcyr)
to keep the AirHES in the air even at a minimum calculated wind speed of 1 m/s
(Vr).
What safety margins are included in case of water accumulation or icing?
In addition
to the standard safety factors (aerodynamic AMS and hydrostatic HMS), the
AirHES model includes
additional BVF and CWF factors, which can be used to refine the model's
behavior and align it with empirical data.
CWF
specifies the net or sail material's weight due to moisture accumulation, as
well as additional rigging and drainage. It is used to calculate the mesh or
sail's weight and also affects the angle of attack when the mesh is freely
suspended. It is currently assumed to be 2 in calculations.
BVF
specifies the excess aerostatic lift compared to the aerostatic balance, which
is equal to 1. This excess aerostatic lift can be used to optimize the
aerodynamic lift to ensure the required moisture intake height and optimize the
head and power of the AirHES.
Although
the patent indicated that the AirHES is resistant to ice formation and
accumulation, automatically descending into warmer layers of the atmosphere,
such operating modes should nevertheless be avoided.
What protection measures are planned against: icing, lightning, hail, extreme temperatures?
When
creating adverse weather conditions, the same principles that have been used
for centuries, for example, for sailing ships, apply in most cases to the
AirHES: going into harbor (parachuting to the ground), furling the sails
(reducing the collector's windage), and turning the bow into the wave (reducing
the angle of attack).
• Icing:
Although the droplet moisture in the cloud remains liquid down to approximately
-10°C, it is advisable not to raise the collector above 0°C, as the
precipitated droplet moisture can lead to icing. Although the AirHES is
resistant to ice formation and accumulation, automatically descending into
warmer layers of the atmosphere, such operating modes should
nevertheless be avoided. Various altitude control methods can be used for this, such as accumulating water in the
upper reservoir, controlling the sail's angle of attack, changing the kite's
area, and other active and passive (physics-based) methods.
•
Lightning: The AirHES contains virtually no conductive elements unless it is specifically designed for area protection as a lightning
rod. Even cloud water is practically a distillate, i.e., an insulator. Using
hydrogen in a balloon can also be safe if the content of
penetrating air is automatically controlled, for example, by a palladium catalyst.
• Hail: Not
tested, but should likely be avoided, for example, by
parachuting to the ground.
• Extreme
temperatures: The AirHES operates in a cloud within a very narrow range of
positive temperatures close to zero.
Have you studied how ice formation could affect the weight and aerodynamics of the system?
No, no such
studies have been conducted. Although the water
droplets in the cloud remain liquid down to approximately -10°C, it is
advisable not to raise the collector above 0°C, as the settled water droplets
can cause icing. Although the AirHES is resistant to ice formation and
accumulation, automatically descending into warmer layers of the atmosphere,
such operating conditions should nevertheless be avoided.
What turbine types have been considered or tested for this system?
For any
high-pressure hydroelectric power plant, Pelton turbines are definitely used, as they are the simplest and have very
high efficiency (up to 95%). However, for low flow rates, a reversible screw hydraulic motor can also be used. This issue was discussed
in detail by Professor A.S. Baibikov, Doctor of Engineering, in his calculation
example for the AirHES. We have not tested such systems, but this is a
well-developed area of hydraulics with numerous applications.
For which pressure and flow ranges is the turbine designed?
The Pelton turbine can be used with any water pressure and flow rate, as it is
essentially a nozzle that converts the potential energy of the water column
into the kinetic energy of the jet according to Bernoulli's equation. There is
no pressure on the turbine runner itself, making it very simple and easy to
regulate and operate. Furthermore, turbine efficiency can reach 95%.
What total system efficiency do you realistically expect? (collector → pipeline → turbine → generator)
The
calculations for the AirHES model assumed a 90%
energy efficiency for the conversion section (turbine → generator), and
the optimization program
typically selects a pressure loss in the hose of ~10%, resulting in an energy
efficiency (pipeline → turbine → generator) of ~80%. For
comparison, the similar efficiency at one of the largest high-pressure
hydroelectric power plants (1869 m) is ~92.23%. Clearly, with energy
optimization of the AirHES, this efficiency can be increased
to ~90% or more.
As for the
water-based collector efficiency, for our example (Ashdod), it is
22.75% for the balloon (X, p. 3), and 27.94% for the kite (X, p. 4). In the work on mesh optimization,
it was shown that the efficiency of collecting drops with a single-layer
collector can reach 50-60% (X, p. 7), and considering
that the collector can be made multi-layer, then almost 100%, but this was not
optimized in this version of the program.
How stable is the energy production when water flow varies significantly?
Clearly,
both energy and water production are determined by cloud cover. According to
NASA, clouds cover 67% of the Earth's surface on average, and in terms of
natural factors, the uniformity of AirHES generation is even better than that
of other renewable energy sources, with a typical capacity factor of ~20-40%.
However, cloud cover can be very unevenly distributed
at altitude, significantly reducing actual stability.
I have
written a special paper
on possible energy storage methods applicable specifically to AirHES:
- local hydro storage (HS) -- water storage in the upper
reservoir and hose,
- cascade HS -- water storage in artificial pumped storage
power plants powered by the AirHES water,
- induced (surface condensation on mesh) in the absence of
clouds -- testing is needed,
- hydrogen storage (and possibly transportation) in AirHES
balloons (600 times greater than the local PS).
The latter
method ensures stable energy production, but requires an increase in the cost
of the installation due to the addition of reversible fuel cells.
Are there buffer systems or storage mechanisms to stabilize energy production?
I wrote a special paper on
possible energy storage methods applicable specifically to AirHES. Two of these
methods can be used as buffer systems to stabilize
energy production:
- Cascade
pumped storage. As is well known, one of the best solutions to the problem of
uneven power generation for any renewable energy source is currently the use of
pumped storage hydroelectric power plants. To achieve this, a reversible
hydroelectric power plant is built using suitable
elevated ground, operating alternately in pumping and generating modes. The
cascade-type AirHES elegantly solves this problem, simultaneously addressing
its dependence on weather conditions. If there is a suitable elevated ground,
but no river flows from it, AirHES can easily create this "river" and
an intermediate upper pool, discharging its water in a natural
(weather-dependent) manner not to the lower pool, but to this intermediate
upper pool of the cascade hydroelectric power plant. Then, this lower
hydroelectric power station will act as a hydraulic accumulator, and the
coordinated operation of the AirHES itself and this cascaded conventional
hydroelectric power station will completely eliminate
weather dependency.
- Hydrogen
storage. The AirHES has both energy and ideal fresh water (distilled water) in
abundance. Moreover, the AirHES, technologically and structurally, can
naturally store hydrogen in its aerostats or even transport the accumulated
hydrogen in such aerostats to the consumer. This can be
accomplished by using additional aerostats, which will not only support
the AirHES components but also store a reserve of hydrogen. Thus, during
periods of energy overproduction, by pumping hydrogen produced by electrolysis
and balancing the discharge of water, it is always possible to ensure the
necessary amount of water in the upstream pool and a reserve of hydrogen in the
aerostats. This ensures that, when energy is needed,
it can be recycled back into energy in the same balanced manner in the fuel
cells (from hydrogen) and the turbogenerator (from
water).
How can the collector or pipeline be serviced or replaced when the system operates several kilometers above ground?
The AirHES
does not have to remain in the air continuously. The flight section can be
lowered to the ground using specialized means (such as winches like any
aerostat) or by independently controlled parachuting by adjusting the balance
of aerostatic and aerodynamic forces (for example, by filling the upper tank
with water, changing the angle of attack, and adjusting the sail area). All
necessary maintenance can be performed on the ground.
Which components do you expect to be the most frequent points of failure?
Based on
experience with test launches of balloons and kites, the majority of failures
were due to rope breakage, most often at the most stressed point, near the
attachment to the flight part. This was caused by impact
loads from strong gusts of wind. Therefore, special damping devices should be installed in this area.
What physical prototypes have been built and tested so far?
The entire
history of my prototypes can be tracked in the Experiments section (see
each folder for a link to the description in the text.pdf file). I built and
tested the first scientific prototype based on a balloon in 2013. The prototype
remained airborne for several hours before the rope broke. Thus, the prototype
was lost, and no direct measurements of the water intake rate were made. However, based on indirect observations (by
changing the rope angle during testing), it was approximately ~5 l/m²/hour, i.e. ~120 l/m²/day), which
corresponds to my estimates in the feasibility study.
Subsequent prototypes based on kites and kytoons were
tested in 2015-2016, but also did not yield direct results, as the altitudes
were limited (~500 m) and the kite rarely flew into the clouds. At the same
time, laboratory (garage) tests were conducted on
scaled-down models, which allowed me to roughly estimate the efficiency of the
meshes and kite models' sails, which reached up to 60%, consistent with my computer modeling
calculations. After that, due to lack of funds, I only conducted theoretical
research.
What actual performance results were measured during these tests?
No direct
indicators were obtained during the tests. Indirect
estimates were obtained that were consistent with the theoretical estimates in
the feasibility study.
Laboratory experiments also yielded data consistent with the results of computer modeling of
collector efficiency.
How do the measured results compare with your theoretical calculations?
Since no
direct data was obtained during testing, the indirect
estimates are entirely consistent with the theoretical estimates in the feasibility study, which
were obtained through direct testing of high-altitude fog collection systems
and physical approximations. At the same time, laboratory experiments yielded
direct data consistent with the results of computer modeling of
collector efficiency.
What maximum power output do you consider technically realistic for a single installation?
Frankly, I don't think megaprojects are suitable for the AirHES.
Rather, the ideal application for the AirHES is distributed municipal water
supply for small towns and villages, with associated power generation.
Nevertheless,
the feasibility study
article examined hypothetical AirHES options with a mesh size of ~1 km². Within the design constraints specified there, a
capacity of ~20 MW is most likely. On the other hand, the use of the AirHES
with maximum design assumptions under ideal equatorial weather conditions was discussed in a controversial comparison post with solar
power plants, where it could have a capacity of up to 1 GW with fantastic
technical and economic indicators (~$1/kW at 1 kW/m² of mesh!). Formally,
there are no restrictions on building larger AirHES.
What technical limits do you foresee when scaling the system to larger capacities?
These
technical limitations were outlined in the feasibility study paper
(pp. 5-6):
«In
principle, the same pattern can be calculated and for the next generation -
high power module with a network of ~1 km2. However, we already reach the limit
values for the size of balloons and kites. To go to this power, we should
change the design solutions. For example, we can use the meshes themselves as
kites to support the basic weight of the produced water in the hose, and to use
the balloon only to support meshes and empty hose in complete calm. This will
demand the creation of an appropriate control system (preferably by using a
natural physical feedback), which will monitor wind speed and emergency dumping
or spraying water from the hose under the threat of falling. This also should
include the need to develop a system of the automatic and interconnected
accumulation of the water storage upstream and the hydrogen in ballonet
balloons that will significantly reduce meteo-dependence of AirHES without
using external storage (which dramatically increase the cost of wind and solar
plants).»
From your perspective, what are currently the three biggest technical challenges that must be solved to build a fully operational AirHES system?
In
principle, the AirHES is a synergistic combination of three well-known
technologies: high-pressure hydroelectric power plants, aerostats/kites, and
high-altitude fog/cloud harvesting. In this sense, it simply inherits technical
solutions that are already widely used. However, the practical application of
these systems in flight conditions creates a new area of
technical solutions. I would highlight the following three key
challenges:
- aerodynamic stability of the structure in turbulence, gusts,
and adverse weather conditions;
- wear
resistance of the main components (cable, hose, nets, sails) from wind loads
and ultraviolet radiation;
- development of damping devices, automatic control systems,
and safety systems.